The Rabbi and The Shrink

#72: Adam Martin - Flip the Switch and Start Thriving

September 01, 2022 Rabbi Yonason Goldson and Dr. Margarita Gurri, CSP Episode 72
The Rabbi and The Shrink
#72: Adam Martin - Flip the Switch and Start Thriving
Show Notes Transcript

How does fitness contain the prescription for going from depression to existentialism?

When can a lack of confidence become our greatest asset?

These and other questions about out physical and mental wellbeing are addressed when Adam Martin, the Fit Pharmacist joins the Rabbi and the Shrink.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/fitpharmfam/

https://www.thefitpharmacist.com/

Here are some of the highlights from our conversation:

Physical health leads to psychological strength.

Sartre's one truth: existence precedes essence.

You must act your way into a new level of thinking, not vice versa.

Life is about making good choices, which is how ethics becomes a catalyst for positive change.

Become a hope dealer.

Apparently successful people may be only surviving and not thriving.

Imposters don't suffer from imposter syndrome.

Without fear there's no courage.  The antidote of fear is action.  Time is a fertilizer.

What you tolerate will continue.  Awareness is always the first step.

If everyone else is suffering, that doesn't mean it's okay for me to suffer too.

Are we following the wrong metric for success?

What is your tickle factor?

A smile is an outer reflection of an inner truth.

When you change the standards for yourself you give permission to others to follow your lead.

Laughter and joy project confidence and authenticity, which promote trust.

The word of the day:  Phreatophyte [ free-at-uh-fahyt ]

A plant having very long roots that reach down to the water table or the layer above it

Our actions form the roots of our values, and our thoughts are the branches that soar heavenward.

Margarita Gurri:

Welcome to the Rabbi and the Shrink. This is Dr Margarita Gurri, the shrink, and my favorite Rabbi,

Yonason Goldson:

Yonason Goldson.

Margarita Gurri:

And the good rabbi and I are delighted to have with us the fifth pharmacist, Dr. Adam Martin. Welcome, sir.

Adam Martin:

Thank you so much for the opportunity. It's great to see both your smiling faces.

Margarita Gurri:

Well, it's good to be seen. One of the things that I, you and I met, I think the same way, the rabbi met on a Zoom meeting for something I forget what, and we were both taken with that you are doing something different than other people doing? So how did you get to being the fifth pharmacist tell us about your journey and your intentions for that?

Unknown:

Beautiful question, I started off as a depressed person, believe it or not, your smile is bright. I know the smile is bright. But the whole reason that led me into fitness into pharmacy was when I was in high school, my mom got diagnosed unexpectedly with stage four colon cancer, did not know it didn't know what at the time, but she was given less than six months to live. Um, so thank you, that led me into what you could call a depressed state. Because I didn't have any tools. I never dealt with anything like that. And it just came out of the blue.

Margarita Gurri:

That we're breathing actually. Yes,

Unknown:

correct. Yeah, that was the beginning of that process. So what led me into that was I had some friends. And back in the day, I was very scrawny, skinny kid, low self confidence, I was bullied most of my life, all this stuff. So then you add that on to it. And it was time for a change. So I had a couple of friends that were working out after class. And I just said, you know, can I join in, and I got what you call the iron bug, I got bit by the iron bug, and I got really into lifting because that really led into healing. It led into my own therapy at the bar, not not down in the corner, but in the gym. But also, it led to self confidence. And it led me out of this focus of just trying to survive into how can I thrive. And that's really the main shift that that put me into that. And that's how it started in high school. But then when I got into college, I started to realize there was this symbiotic relationship. Like, if I went out, partied and didn't sleep, well, my workouts would suffer. And so with my studies, but if I did what I knew I was supposed to do, you know, because we all do that, right? We never do the opposite of what we're supposed to do. Why do I did what I was supposed to do? ate well slept well, I'd get stronger in the gym, I'd focus in the classroom. So right around that time is when Instagram began, I had no clue what it was. I thought, Instagram, what is that a hipster? Like? Is that how much a hipster way is that was the old joke back in the day. But my friend said, You need to make an Instagram. I said, Well, what do you what do you do? And they will you pick a name that represents something that is what you embody, like, well, I'm passionate about fitness. I'm a pharmacist passion about helping people, I'll become the Fit pharmacist. So that's really where it started off. I whittled it down in this brief of time as possible.

Yonason Goldson:

So tell me about that story, um, that I think is really instructive for many of us. Without going into my own background, I got to college as a real basket case. And my first trimester there, I took a course in philosophy one. And we studied among others, Sartre. Now as a religious person, I don't agree with Sartre on much. Maybe anything except one point that he makes is one of its fundamentals real fundamental principles, is existence precedes essence. And that means that first we are, and then we are what we are. Yeah. And he really felt that we can define ourselves and create ourselves as we choose, which is really what you're describing you were in a state where you weren't happy with yourself, you weren't confident, and you found a way of channeling your energy of doing something to build yourself up, and really transform yourself created your own identity, your own reality. I think we can all do that, especially when it comes to to ethics, which is our topic here. We can choose to be good. Yes, we choose to be responsible. And I think that's exactly what you're modeling with your story.

Unknown:

And I really appreciate that point. Yes. And I think in all of us, if we can be honest with ourselves for just a moment, we all have areas in our life and times in our life, where we're not satisfied. And it's actually a gift, because the only two reasons we would do anything is to seek pleasure or to avoid pain. So when we have that pain, it's a stronger driving force to take action, which then results in a different or more optimal outcome. So we have these ideas of change but how many people We'll talk about what they want, but they don't do anything. And the main point that really sticks with me is, you can't think your way into a new level of acting, you must act your way into a new level of thinking, right? So how can we use and be resourceful with all of these things that are going on our life, the good and the challenging to use them as catalysts to be catalysts become the man or woman of God that were created to become. And the thing that I started to recognize through my journey is it became this ethical focus this whole thing, like if you're going to be preaching to live a healthier life, you have to be preaching what you're practicing, taking a dose of your own medicine, and leading by example. So I assume that's what everyone did. But I learned quickly, because people didn't have to deal with that, you know, immediate hardship. That's not saying other people haven't dealt with things way beyond what I've had to see. But it's saying, Are you using that to your advantage as a catalyst for change. So it's, again, a choice that you need to make. So when I started to realize that people were, you know, stuck in survival mode, they were gaining weight, getting stressed out, and really just not being able to thrive, it became very apparent that you can't help your patients if you're only trying to survive. But when you're in a state of thriving, that's when you're put in the mindset to really show up and not just give optimal care, but really give a different dose, give a hope. I call it becoming a hope dealer. That's the alter ego, I guess you could say that, that I embody. So what became my mission is seeing people way more qualified than me, who were stuck in the survival mode. And they started to get really hard on themselves, they fell into imposter syndrome and all these sorts of things, and started to doubt their own integrity. So they would show up at a lower level not be able to impact the lives of patients and people that were in their care. So that's really where my admission came from, is helping people to really flip the switch out of survival mode into thrive so they can impact lives, that they have the opportunity to impact on a daily basis wherever he or she may practice.

Margarita Gurri:

And that's where you got the the ideas for your two books, the pharmacist Survival Guide for managing stress and fitting and fitness, which I think is a great title, I checked it out a little bit. And then Gen Z pharmacist, dominate pharmacy school and script, your dream career. Although I think that from the description, I've not read that book. It sounds like scripting, your dream career is for everyone, not just for pharmacists, or people in pharmacy school, you've done a very good job of I think, reaching beyond just pharmacists to people everywhere. So I think that's, that's impressive.

Unknown:

Thank you very much. And I want to give a word of encouragement on that. Because a lot of times, people feel like you know that they fall into that imposter syndrome. They feel like I'm not there yet. I'm not capable. I'm not qualified to teach other people who are in need. I'm, I'm wait till I'm there. So I think if you realize how far you've come, your story might not be done. You might only be on chapter five of your three series book. But recognize that there's people stuck in the preface, scared to start chapter one. And you being in chapter five is an incredible asset to empower and equip people to go from chapter one to chapter two. So I really feel that we all have a story. And we have a blessing that is not just for us, but it actually becomes a deeper blessing when we fall into that and equip others with what we've learned to help them through that process. And when we do that consistently, just like you said, we can add and expand that to areas outside of our niche at once we become the go to expert in that field.

Margarita Gurri:

In this COVID I've seen some many professionals get exhausted, and they don't have the impostor syndrome. What they have is, I don't matter syndrome. There they have compassion fatigue. Rabbi What were you going to say?

Yonason Goldson:

I just I heard a wonderful quote a few years ago from Beatrice berry she said imposters don't suffer from impostor syndrome. Yeah, there's so much wisdom in that soundbite either

Margarita Gurri:

do real people either though, so I can. I can see the real impostor saying, well, that's I'm because I'm real.

Yonason Goldson:

You know, if I think you know, I'm on top of my game, I got this. I got nothing to worry about. Maybe they should take a step back. Whereas if, if we're doing what we're supposed to be doing, which is stretching ourselves, which is reaching for the next rung in the ladder, there's always going to be that sense of maybe I'm not ready yet. Yes. And that itself, is an indication that I'm moving in the right direction and the process of doing that which is a little uncomfortable, which I'm not quite sure of myself, that itself is going to help me move up, become more competent, and become less of an impostor. And that process takes us through life and leads to all kinds of success.

Unknown:

That's precisely it. And fear, we think, is something to avoid. But what is courage? Courage isn't waiting until fear is gone. Courage is moving forward in the face of fear. So it's not that fear is bad. It's the meaning that you're giving fear. So when you change, and I call it flip the script, because I love puns, and I'm a pharmacist, and I'm a dork. But I like that. But when you flip the script on how you're labeling fear, instead of something that's discomforting, what if it's actually a beacon for growth. So when you feel uncomfortable, when you feel fearful, you actually move towards that, because the antidote to fear is action. And the longer the time you give it time is a fertilizer. So the longer time you give taking action on that fear, the the longer it will grow. But the quicker you act, the less of a time that little fear has a time to grow into a monster. So spot on, I completely agree. I love

Margarita Gurri:

the fear as a beacon of growth. I think that's wonderful. So now, Robert, let's get to the main issue, then, what does this have to do with ethics?

Yonason Goldson:

Well, what I've heard over and over again, in medicine, and philosophy, and from you, yourself, Adam, is that rather than waiting for there to be a problem, you know, you just really addressed it in your approach to fear rather than waiting for the crowd the problem to appear or to grow, try head off the problem before it becomes such a big problem, or before it becomes a problem at all. Of course, in medicine, we talked about wellness, we talked about prevention, and in business or in personal conduct, you can apply the same principle Can't you? Don't wait until I find myself in the midst of a crisis? Oh, we're on the brink of a scandal. We're on the brink of a financial failure, where we're having levels of competency that we can't we can't deal with, with prevention, projection preparation, we can we can make sure that those little problems don't become brick problems. Yes.

Margarita Gurri:

So what are the first steps? Someone's out there, they're burned out. They're not feeling great about themselves. They want to do better in life. What what do you suggest Dr. Adam Martin,

Unknown:

first thing is do acknowledge it not. So you know, paint a picture like all this will pass like, you know, everyone's this way, this is okay. What you tolerate will continue. And regardless of what you're trying to change, regardless of its personal development, getting out of survival mode, increasing your finances, the first step to every change is awareness. And until you're real with yourself, and so again, back with the pawns until you give yourself a dose of truth, you're not going to be able to move forward. Because if you don't identify something as a challenge, or a problem, or something needs change, there's no reason you're going to take action on it. It's like, if you're I don't know if you ever seen the meme of the dog drinking coffee in a room that's filled with flames, it's drinking coffee, the whole place is burning down. And the caption is, this is fine. And a lot of people use that to define their work environment, because they feel like oh, is this they look around? First thing is everyone else struggling? And for some reason, if everyone else is in the same boat, it's okay. But that's doesn't mean that it's right, or that your feelings are not valid. So if you feel a dissonance if you feel like you're meant for more, if you find yourself looking in the mirror and saying, Did I really go to school just for this? Is this all there is I thought I'd be farther ahead in life. If you had knowledge, that feeling you net, you then give yourself such a gift, because what you resist persists, and it will grow and fester. So if you really take that first step and say like, this is not where I want to be, and I'm not okay with staying here. That will be the catalyst for you to start taking that next step. But I think so few of us are scared to because this is something you said earlier on us, and we tie our identity to it. And if we challenge our identity, it's a huge threat to our value, our worth and all those other sorts of things. So I think it's a, it sounds simple, but oftentimes simple is not easy. So I think that's really the first step in that path is just acknowledging, I'm not where I want to be and I know that I can be more, do more, achieve more have a more fulfilling career, rather than just successful because if you're succeeding, but not failed. That's the ultimate failure.

Margarita Gurri:

I think that's a key point. Because many people develop metrics for success, that have nothing to do with them feeling good about themselves, or being good people. You cannot do good if your metrics for success, counteract any efforts at goodness,

Unknown:

that's spot on. And I think one of the biggest metrics that's missing, especially in healthcare is a call to tickle factor. Are you able

Margarita Gurri:

to get in trouble for that? Let me hear this. Yeah.

Unknown:

Are you able to smile at your work without being forced? So meaning like, are you able to laugh without being tickled? And that's really the question you got to ask, I mean, we can tickle you will be an HR, you know, and all that. And I don't advise that. So you know, don't don't do this, you know. But you have to really ask yourself that question, and maybe just hearing that made you laugh for the first time in weeks, months or years? Hopefully not. But is what you're doing bringing you joy? Or are you waiting for someone else, or some condition to be the only source of what makes you joyful? Because that is a clue that you are or either are not being fulfilled in what you do.

Yonason Goldson:

That's a really interesting observation. It's, as you say, it sounds simple. And I think it is simple. But many of us are in situations where we may have trouble finding the joy in what we're doing. I started my professional speaking business about six, seven years ago. And I started hearing comments that I'd never heard before, people would come into my smile. And I could remember them ever having comment on as well. Now, I liked teaching high school, I found it very rewarding. But it carried with it a certain amount of tensions and frustrations. That, I guess, didn't let me fully experience the joy of what I was doing. And when I moved into a situation where many of those factors were no longer factors, I really, subconsciously I wasn't aware I was smiling. But it's, you know, we have to find the things that make us smile.

Unknown:

Yes, I think it's a smile is so great, because it's an outward reflection of an inner truth. You can't I mean, you can fake a smile, but we can see right through that. But when you're doing something and you smile, and you're not even aware of it, that's pretty majestic. And I have to say you do have a dashing smile. So I'm not surprised that you got that compliment.

Margarita Gurri:

He does his smile lights up the room. And plus, you know, being a Cuban Catholic. Shrink, I'd never really seen that many rabbis that smiled a lot, you know. And so it's nice.

Unknown:

Comment. Because he knows that's the X Factor, you're changing the script, you're changing a standard for your own profession, and you're giving others permission, that it's okay, because you are doing it. I think that's such a huge, huge point. And it's part of your brand, if I can be so bold to say is you are living your authenticity, and you're owning all parts of you. I call it unapologetically owning your fire. Yes, we all have a light inside of us to share technology.

Margarita Gurri:

Is the hitchhiking smiling. Rabbi, when it's enough about me. With yours, of course. Well, we were talking about branding. So

Yonason Goldson:

it was actually in in the Jewish teachings over 2000 years ago, one of the sages who is known for being strict and stern and demanding. He's the one who teaches us greet every person with a pleasant countenance. So that image of him is strict and stern is really not accurate. He Yes, he was very demanding. Yes, he set high standards. But he could do that with a smile on his face. Yeah, there's a more recent story about a student who was deeply involved in his studies and his personal development. And in his rabbi came by tapped him on the shoulder and said, Your face is part of the public domain. You want to be scowling and grimacing, do that in private. Nobody wants to look at that.

Margarita Gurri:

One, there's a healing factor with humor, as we all know, and with smiling and happiness, and some of it is also the trust factor. How do you trust a professional whether it's a pharmacist or rabbi or a shrink, or a bartender, we're going to add that in from the jokes. Who doesn't somehow find their place in life enough to be able To have the confidence and the joy in what they're doing. And I think it adds a lot to, to trust.

Unknown:

It really does. And I have to say, as a pharmacist, laughter is the best medicine, because it evokes joy from the soul. And it's really true, it diffuses everything. If you have someone that is in a really difficult time, and you know that they're stuck on that fixation, and you can not not to make fun of them. But if you can get them to laugh in a genuine way, what will happen is, it will totally interrupt their pattern, it will totally shift their focus. And once the laughing subsides, if you're good, it'll take a while. But once the laughing subsides, they'll say, what were we talking about again? Oh, yeah, you were talking about how terrible life was? Oh, you know, it's true. So it's a great way to shift someone's state and give that gift.

Margarita Gurri:

Absolutely. And for those of you who want to learn how to do that, even better, the Association of applied and therapeutic humor, a th that I belong to a th.org has a bunch of research and practice stuff. And it's really fun, a bunch of fun professionals working on humor as, as something that is super important in terms of happiness and success in life, and, and wellness. So I think that's great.

Yonason Goldson:

When it speaks to bedside manner, too, doesn't it? I mean, you can be a clinical technician of the highest order. But if you don't, if you don't project some sort of warmth, and then show empathy, you're not going to be an effective Doctor, I'm in my I take my wife to urgent care sometime back and, and she told me, this is the one we need to go to. And we came in there. Even as we're walking in the door, the receptionist smiles knew exactly who we were from our appointment. And every person we encountered, and my wife and she was being treated asked, you know, can I ask you, you know, everybody was so pleasant. While she haven't tried one of the managers said, we only hire pleasant doctors. That yes, of course, we want them to be qualified. But when you come in and you've got a problem, the last thing you want is some grumpy person who is compounding whatever problem you're already dealing with. And you know, it just sounds so fundamental, doesn't it?

Margarita Gurri:

I think so. We'll wrap up. I think we've gotten to the point where we need the word of the day, and then we'll come back to Dr. Adam Martin. And we're going to ask you about takeaways, what are the takeaways that that the listening or viewing audience can ponder? And, Rabbi,

Yonason Goldson:

what do you got? Well, you know, I usually try to choose a word that's a little bit unfamiliar. So I hope you're not disappointed with this one. The word is free ratified. No, I'm not disappointed, free ratified, which is a plant having very long roots that reached down to the water table. And I chose this word early in our conversation because of something he said out and that is very consistent with Jewish teaching, that we don't think our way to action, we act our way to thinking. And the sages teach, that if a person if his wisdom, I guess I should put this in the common pronoun form, if their wisdom is greater than their actions, their wisdom will not endure. But if their actions are greater than their wisdom, it will endure into what are they compared a person whose actions exceed his wisdom, see, their wisdom is compared to a tree with deep roots, and, and moderate branches. Because it's the other way around, a wind comes along uproots the tree it topples over. But if your roots are deep, then it doesn't matter how hard the wind blows, and roots are our actions, and the branches, our thoughts, our ideas. And so everything we do, has to be focused on implementing our thoughts or ideas or feelings into positive actions. And if we do that our actions will make our, our core values stronger. They'll they'll help our thoughts become real become rooted in the physical world. If we're just in the air all the time with ideas. That's never going to come to anything. We have to be rooted in reality in action, and then our thoughts and our and our ideas can really store

Margarita Gurri:

it's a great word. And I think that fits with what you've been saying. I think it's wonderful. So sir, what takeaways do you have for our audience to ponder

Unknown:

So I think one of the biggest things is, how do we get started? How do we, if we're not satisfied where we are, a lot of times, we can be quiet and not take action. Because we feel shame, we're not supposed to feel this way. I don't want to be less than I don't want to let my people down. I don't want my family to worry about me and think something's wrong. So there's all these things, because from a healthcare perspective, the core reason that we got into health care, regardless of your profession is simply to help other people. And a lot of times the reason self care suffers is because we have this idea this lie, that if I take care of myself, if I practice self care, it's selfish. And there are times in your career where you will have to put that on the backburner keyword, temporarily. But if you turn it into a habitual action, and almost like a martyrdom, what will happen is you will become the very thing that you got into to treat and prevent. And then you are leading from a place with his lack of integrity, which whether it's conscious or subconscious, it will start to eat away at your potential, and you'll slip away from thriving to just trying to survive, knowing deep down within yourself, that you're not living, why you got into this in the first place. So you can't help people thrive if you're struggling to survive. So it's really that honest answer and question with you. So I think that the best way to redirect our focus and get answers is to ask quality questions, because the quality of questions you ask will directly determine the quality of life you live. So I want to leave with a few questions. Here they are. Who must I become, to live a life worthy of the calling I have received? Looking at your past, a lot of times we feel we have to do all kinds of stuff in order to get there. But oftentimes, success leaves clues. And we all have moments of success, where we were told you can't do that, where we thought that we couldn't do it. But we did it anyway somehow. So instead of thinking this is outside of me look within yourself. So ask yourself, what references or points of evidence do I have, that allowed me to get to where I am to defy the odds. so rough? What references do I have, that have allowed me to get to where I am, and will help me to get to where I want to go. So that's looking at what you already have, it's being resourceful with the work you've already done, then just keep yourself accountable. And to your innocence point, ideas are great, but actions are really what get us rooted, you have to look forward. And that question is, what references do I need to become the person I am called to become? So that literally asks, what is the one thing that I can do right now today to move the needle forward, so that I am one step closer to that goal. And oftentimes we get discouraged with setbacks and whatnot. But there's a big takeaway, that if you're struggling, if you feel like you're meant for more if you if you've had a few punches and your you feel like you're down, there's one truth I want you to know. As of right now, regardless of you're listening to this today, or re listening to it years later, as of right now, you have successfully survived 100% of your toughest days. That is a fact. And the only way that's true is if you're able to listen to this right now. So if you have survived the 100% of your toughest days, perhaps you can survive the next one, too.

Margarita Gurri:

That's a beautiful perspective. Thank you very much. I I think it's practical. And I felt it as my grandchildren call that I felt it in the fields is very nice.

Unknown:

You're most welcome. Thank you.

Margarita Gurri:

Wow. Well, so how can people reach you, sir? Because they maybe want more of you. What's the best way to reach

Unknown:

out the best way is actually on Instagram. That's where I'm most active on my handle is one word, the Fit pharmacist. I also have a podcast that I dispense a episode once a week. That's been going on for five years. So if you like the deep talk about things that everyone struggles with, but nobody's talking about with practical things you can actually do to move the needle forward. I highly recommend you check that out. That's on all podcast platforms. I Heart Radio, Pandora, Amazon, music, itunes, all the things. It's the Fit pharmacist healthcare Podcast. I'm also on LinkedIn, Dr. Adam Martin, as well as on my Facebook page, they'll fit pharmacist.

Margarita Gurri:

And then the rabbi and I always have one last question because we So many professionals with a heavy heart. What do you do for fun? These days,

Unknown:

many things. So it's ironic most, I like to pick things up and put them down. So I'm actually a competitive bodybuilder, lifetime drug free. I know it's ironic being a pharmacist. But that is something I do enjoy a physical health, really getting involved with that learning with personal development psychology. The other thing I really love to do is dance. Because if you think about it, in your career, whatever you're looking to do, you're always taking a few steps forward, but then life hits you and you have one step back. So if you look at it in a broad perspective, going through life, you're taking two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back, life says shot Shaw, let's dance.

Margarita Gurri:

So you do ballroom dances.

Unknown:

I do more hip hop freestyle. Wherever the beat moves me to. But yeah, you know, dancing in the car. That's my favorite thing. I'm also a world renowned singer in the shower in the car. There's only two songs that people requests that I sing. The one is called, not so loud, and the other one is far far away.

Yonason Goldson:

And saying that's interesting.

Unknown:

I haven't tried that yet. That'll be that'll be Instagram worthy. If I can pull that off, probably police where they do

Margarita Gurri:

it. Well, well, that is very funny. Well, we're certainly glad that you came on to our podcast, I think you have a refreshing approach. And certainly the rabbi and I talk about the importance in ethics of feeling well, and setting the foundation that helps us make good choices over and over again, especially when life is a little complicated. So Rabbi, you have some final words of the day, sir.

Unknown:

I know, I think we've really hit on

Yonason Goldson:

a critical mindset. point here. Yes. Which is to, to look ahead, plan ahead. And look for ways of bringing joy into our own lives, because then inevitably, will spread it into the lives of others. So thank you for inspiring, inspiring us, Adam, to look at ourselves and look at the world we live in, in a way that will make all of us more healthy,

Unknown:

greatly appreciate that. And I love what you said, we want to help professionals feel well. And I believe that if we feel well, we can do well. And it's not about us, it starts with us. But when we can really feel well, we can go do well and then serve our purpose, which is to make a difference and inspire people to do the same in the world. So I really respect both of you for the platform that you have. It's an honor to be honored to be a part of that. I love what both of you are doing in your individual careers, but also collectively with with this endeavor, which is phenomenal. So an honor to be here. An honor to be here. Thank you.

Margarita Gurri:

It's an honor to have you so all of you out there who are having a dip in the joy or self confidence or feeling good. Take it is a beautiful and beautiful invitation to ask those questions. And make yourself move forward in the world of happiness and success. Well, Rabbi, thank you for everything. Dr. Adam Martin as well. We'll see you on the next episode of The rabbi and the shrink. Thank you again sir.

Unknown:

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